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>> good evening i am amna nawaz. judy woodruff is away. the latest on the middle east after the conflict in iran. and, the first television interview with the woman who released documents exposing n china systematic oppressd persecution of uighur muslims. >> the uighur genocide is a repeat of the jewish holocaust from world war ii. chinese oppression to uighurs is a crime ainst humanity. amna: ants, it is friday. mark shields and david brooks are here to discuss the latest on iran, impeachment and the 2020 campaign trail. all that and more on tonight --
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ing, i am stephanie sy at newshour west. we will return to amna nawaz after theeadlines. nancy pelosi said she would move next week to send the two articles of impeachment to the senate. she withheld them three weeks helping senate republicans would allow today the speaker wrote to, democrats sayivery senator faces a choice. to be loyal tsident or the constitution. itemains unclear when the senate trial would begin. the final jobs report of 2019 shows u.s. hiring slower in december. theconomy added a net of 45 thousand jobs, below projections. the unemployment rate held at 3.5%. 2.1 million jobs were created last year, down from 2.7 milli in 2018. canada has revised the number of
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citizens dead from the plane crash. al 176 passengers on the ukrainian flight pished dnesday. i ran -- iran issued new denials one of its own missi ps shot down tne. >> what we can say with absoluts certainty i that no missile has hit this plane. as i said last night, the plane flew on fire for me than 1.5 minutes and the crash site shows the pilot returned to the aircraft. amna: iran's denied reports the crash site haseen bulldozed. it appears the u.s. was not only targeting irani general qas soleimani one week ago today. reports that a u.s. airstrike the same day failed to kill a senior iraeran commander ing in yemen. secretary of m stae pompeo reiterated the trump administration's justification for killing soleimani.
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>> we had specific information on an imminent threat, including attacks on u.s. embassies. period, full stop. we do not know which minute or day, but it was clear. qasem soleiman himself was plotting a broad, large-scale attack against american interests and those were imminent. stephanie: pompeo said he relayed the same information to congress this week, but several democratic lawmakers disputed that claim. also the u.s. announced more sanctions against iran, in manufacturing, mining and tiling. the trump administrationhd rejected the wwal of 5200 troops in iraq. the caretaker prime minister asked washington to send a delegation to baghdad to work out departure details. the state departmentisssed
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the request saying u.s. troops are a force for good in iraq.l we w focus on this in deil after the news summary. oman's leader sultan qaboos bin saeed died earlier. he was the sultan of the gulf nation since 1970. in 2013 he helped facilitate early talks between the u.s. and iran, which led to the obama era nuclear os bin saeed was 70 nine. airstrikes hit a pro-iranian militia today, killing at least eight fighters. activist said on identified warplanes struck near the iraqi boer, hitting weapons depots and vehicles. the militia claimed the vehicles were from israel. nearly 1/4 of a million people in southeast ausalia were urged to leave their homes today as extreme wildfire conditions returned. people in new south wales and
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victoriaac f triple digit temperatures and winds up to 60 miles per hour. in victori ty dropped fire retardant chemicals and water and leaders called for patience. >> we are going to continue to resee flaring up for weeks to come. even with rain and melbourne, -- in melbourne. there is a lg way to go in an unprecedented fire event. stephanie: another tremor hit erto rico this evening. the 5.2 mnitude earthquake hit the southern coast, bringing down power lines even as the island struggles to restore electricity following a major quake that hit tuesday. much of the south on high alert tonight for possible tornadoes, flooding rains and hail -- and hail the size of baseballs. parts of texas, louisiana and
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arkansas also at risk, involving more than 18 million people. texas will become the first state to reject after taking in more than any other state in the last fiscal year. republican govnor greg abbott said texas has done more than s share. other states expressed they welcome in taking more refugees. boeing reeling from disclosures ployees had problems with the 737ax and expressed doubts about its safety. the first release of internal messages last night. in one an employee said "iave not been forgiven by god for the coveringp i did." another wrote "this airplane was designed by clowns who are in turn supervised by monkeys." spirit aerosystems that it will lay off 2800a, workers in wich kansas.
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elself author and spiritual advisor marianne williamson ended her presidential run today. still to come, the future of the u.s. presence in iraq in doubt over recent violence. the woman who exposeds china' persecution of her fellow uighur muslims in an intervi. wexamine the alarming state of prisons in mississippi. and much more. ♪ >> this is the "pbs newshour" from diweta s in washington and from the west, the walter cronkite university in arizona. amna: the fallout from the trump and ministration's killing of iranian general qasem soleimani continues to unfold. could make it difficult for u.s. forces to say in iraq. nick schifrin has the story. last sunday the ira
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parliament passed a nonbinding resolution calling for the eviction of the approximately 5,000 u.s. forces in iraq. caretaker prime minister, adil abdul-mahdi, spoke to secretary of state mike pompeo, and issued a statement ying the u.s. should quote "send delegates to iraq to lay down the mechanisms for implementing the decision totr safely withdraps from iraq." the state department rejected that request, saying any delegation sent to iraq wouldn't discuss troop and pompeothis at the white house of his abdul-mahdi's statement' >> he didnt quite characterize the conversation correctly. but to the larger, more important point, we are happy to continue the conversation with the iraqis about what the right structure is. our mission set is clear. were there to perform a training mission to help the iraqi security forces be s,ccessful, and to continue the campaign against io continue the cou campaign. we're going to continue that mission. >> to discuss the future of the
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u.s. troop presence in iraq, i'm joined by retired brigadier general mark kimmitt. he served as assistant secretary of state forolitical military affairs during the geo bush admistration. and thabit abdullah, a professor of middle east history at york university in toronto, canada. welcome both of you to the "newshour." let me start wh you, thabit abdullah. the iraqi prime minister says that he wants u.s. forces out. the majority of parliament says that they does that mean the iraqi government and the iraqi people actually want u.s. forces out of iraq? thabit: in the long run, 1, for the past 100 days, has raised the issue of sovereignty asof being onhe most important that it fights for. no iraqi once complete isolation
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from eitherts neighbors or ternationally. but there is widespread indignationth thaamerican strike and american practices in general and throughout the long history, really, of modern iraq has been one in which seems to indicate that the united states doesn't respect threignty of the country' so there'quite a bit of indignation about it. nick: so, mark kimmitt, there is certainly indignation in iraq, but, at the same time, the president told us today that iraqi leaders are saying one thinin public, one thing in private. there were no sunni votes in the parliament vote. some iraqis privately tell me that, look, the u.s. is fighaing isis, ng the iraqi military, and helping maintain stability. is that what you are hearing? mark: i have heard for years
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people such as cas gazali, and falih fayyadh, the head of the pmf -- nick:fi senior iraqi als. mark: senior iraqi the mosthe yes,ost senior iraqi officials say they don't want american ground troops on the ground, but they certainly want american assistance, technical, gistics, advising. they just don't want to see american boots on the ground actually conducting combat nick: so, thabit abdullah, what about that? is there a difference between the technical assistance that iraq continues to need and this ,tion that you talked abo the indignation of particular operations the u.s. has launched? thabit: for sure. nobody questions the incredible expertise that american offi expertise is not the only thing that's required for a mission to beuccessful. you need trust. and this has been deeply shaken by the strike that took place recently. it took place -- the united states suppo an iranian official. why does it have to do that on
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iraqi land? in addition to that, there's a very long memory of ameran involvement in iraq, which doesn't paint it in a very asitive light. in 1963, there wia-backed coup that brought about 40 years of authoritarian rule that culminated with saddam hussein's dictatorship. during the iran-iraq war, the united states actually gaveth assistance to ides to prolong the conflict. and then, dung the sanctions, no iraqi can ever forget madeleine albright's infamous statement that we think it's worth it for so many hundreds oa thousands ofs to die as a result of the sanctions. all of this was capped off, of course, by the 2003 occupation, which dismaned iraqi governing institutions, and instituted sort of fiefdoms, sectarian fiefdoms, and deepened sectarianism. so, i'm not -- certainly, i
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don't believe that the people of iraq don't want the americans to be there, but there needs to be trust, and this is the wrong way to do it. nick: mark kimmitt, has the u.s. operations lost iraqi trust? and there is, of course, qte a lot of history that iraqis probably remember better than the americans do. mark: i'd say the answer to that is, let's leave. we left in 2011, when the iraqi nt asked us to leave at that point. we only came back in at the 2014 invitation of the iraqirn gont. we have been there for five years now. we helped them to defeat da'esh. we did not do it aloneth we did it he iraqi security forces. we did it with the popular mobilization forcese but ifituation is so bad that the americans are seen in such a negative light, then the answer is, we should leave. sons and daughter, fathersnd mothers, brothers and sisters want to see those soldiers home, and if they're not wanted there and they're not needed because the iraqi security forces
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believe they can handle it, and if we're infringing on their sovereignty, then the best way to solve this problem is do as we did in 2011 a leave. but does the u.s. military think it's vital to stay in iraq? mark: that is not an opinion for e united states military it is a decision of the politicians. i would not want to reflect on how bad or good the iraqi security forces are. i have seen them now for 15 years. i spent half my working time in baghdad. but only america can bring the air supp the logistics, the training. e noboe can do that. but if it is an affront to the iraqi people and it is an affront to their sovereignty, then my recommendation is that we should leave. nick: thabit abdullah, general kimmitt mentioned the cost of that one of the costs of some of these operations, you have writn, is of a focus that was sfew weeks ago on protest
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who were protesting against iran, now protesting against both iran and the united states. relatively quickly, if you could, what is the impact on the ground among the civil societye and some of thotesters who were focused on iran of these u.s. operations? thabit: thank you for asking not because thats the most important issue. iraq currently is witnessing one of the most remarkable movements for freedom and its history. as i said, it's been ongoing for the past 100 days.lf it's en a giant a very colarge portion of thtry. it's really given hope to many youth. the chief demands are ones that any freedom-loving person can identify with. they're calling for a complete g paration of religion from the state, of deepenmocratic reforms, of an end to e rruption. they have been a achieve quite a bit in the resignation of the current corrupt government, in the reform of
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electoral laws. i do not understand. this was an portunity, really, for the united states to present itself in a more positive light. and yet it threw this really very ill-advised strike at this juncture. i was quite worried that this was going to completely derail the movement. and yet, today, there seems to have been new life given to the protest movement, and they're quite determined to continue their demands. but you are right. at the beginning and for the past three months, the focus has been on iran. today, the chief banner in tahrir square is that america and ir are two sides of the rnme coin. nick: let me just o you, mark kimmitt, just in the last few seconds i have, just to respond to that.
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mark: my response would be, it was not the killing of soleimani the american embassy to be attacked. the attack was done as iran was trying to diract and divert the pressure away from them because they had been getting so much pressure om the protesters. but those weren't these protesters that were in ont of the american embassy. these were iranian-backed militias and their leaders, onee g abu mahdi al-muhandis. nick: who was also killed with soleimani, yes. mark:ep we need to this in perspective and understand at ise end of the day, we need to be careful, the ireed to be careful, because, as president trump showed, as he's done with syria, he could leave iraq with a tweet. nick: general mark kimmitt, thabit abdullah from york university, thank you very much to you both. ♪ amna: in china'st v province,
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the u.s. is more than uighur one million muslims are being held in detention camps. the chinese government said the goal iseeducation of extremists. tonight in her television first interview, a uighur dissident describes this chinese repression as a repeat of the holocaust. she admits leaking chinese documents published in international media thateveal details of the campaign against the uighurs and she recently met a special correspondent. at is at asiye abdul the top of china's most wanted list. although she has decided that publicity and hiding in plain sight are her best prottion, we met at a secret location in the netherlands to maximize her security. asiye: one day, i received death threats via facebook messenger.t message, this pern said: if you don't stop what you are doing right now, people will find your dismembered body inside the black trash can inyo
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front o house. we will you and chop you into pieces and throw you in the trash. malcolm: these top-secret documents are the ason asiye is in peril. the documents reveal how uighur inmates of the camps are locked up, brainwashed and punished. they contain instructions to step up disc there are no escapes. the papers were leaked to a consortium of investigative journalists and published in numerous media outlets, including the new york times in november. for human rights campaigners, the so-called china cables were confirmation that the camps werr effectively ons conducting psychological torture. asiye has lost contact with her source. aushe fears the worst, bec the sentence for leaking such documents is death. how concerned are you for your safety? asiye: when i decided to revea myself, i forced myself to forg the word worry. d that's because the person who sent me these documents has
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sacrificed the act of p these documents cost him his life. so, for me, talking ab worries is not really applicable. malcolm: asiye used to be a government employee in urumqi, the regional capital of xinjiang, the uighur home province 1,700 miles northwest of beijing. she left china for the netherlands in 2009, after violent clashes between uighurs and the han chinese majority. asiye was granted asylum in the netherlands, where she is now studying the dutchanguage. her relations have some of the most intense international condemnation of china in recent years. are you being urageous about this, or are you being foolish? asiye: i do not think i am brave or have done something wrong. i am sure th right thing. the i don't think i'm different from anyone else. i'm simply a human being, the
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inme as they are, although this situation, the uighur community is experiencing horrible things. millions of uighurs are detained in concentration camps. in these circumstances, the sponsibility of being a whistle-blower landed on my shoulders. i had to do it. it was my responsibility. it was essential because of the situation facing the uighurs. so, it has nothing to do with my bravery or courage. maolm: the internment camps were established in 2017, as part of president jinping's so-called war against terror. critics believe a campaign of ethnic with the uighur being replaced by majority han chinese. beijing insists that camps like this in xinjiang are nothingre mohan reeducation centers. but the house of representatives is in no doubt about true purpose. congressman chris smith -- thsmass internment of milli
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of people on a scale that has not been seen since e holocaust, children ripped from eir warm embrace of families, to be indoctrinated in communist ideology and forced to renounce their religious culture and language. rape, sexual abuse and forced abortions. malcolm: in early the house december overwhelmingly passed a ll requiring presirump to toughen action against china until it reverses the uighur crackdown. the bill, triggered by asiye's revelations, also demands sanctions against senior chinese officials. it has yet to be passed by the senate. secretary of state mike pompeo believes theocuments r cealed by asild be a turning point. >> these reports are consistent with an overwhelming and growing body of evidence thacothe chinesunist party is committing human rights violations and abuses against n.dividuals in mass detent we call on the chinese government to immediately release l those who are arbitrarily detained, and to end
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its draconian policies that have terrorized its own citizens in xinjiang. malcolm: but the chinese are standing firm. shohrat zakir is the governor of xinjiangrovince. >> when it comes to issues about xinjiang, the people of xinjiang have the most say. any attempted destabilize lanjiang will be dmed. any accusation ander from the u.s. won't be able to hide the truth of the development of njiang, cannot stop the progress in unification of people of all ethnic groups, and won't stop xinjiang's prosperity and development. malcolm: do you fear that,be use the uighur are muslims, that the west will turn a blind eye to their persecution? asiye: the uighur genocide is a repeat othe jewish holocaustar om worldi. and they promised it would never happen again. the world has begun to slowly realize that chinese oppression of the uighurs has nothing to do
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with other identities. it is a crime against humanity. >> i'm telling you what you the document, so-called document you're talking about is pure fabrications malcolm: in london, china'siu ambassadoriaoming issued blunt denials, insisting the uighurs' religion, islam, wa fully respected, despite evidence that dozens of mosques, such as this one, have been destroye >> their ethnitraditions are fully respect. the purpose to set up this training center is bause there are some young people who have not yet they committed minor crimes, not serious enough to be trialed, sent into prison. so the government gave them opportunity to learn language, mandarin, to be a good citizen and effective worker. >> ♪ if you're happy and you
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know it, say, yes, sir. yes, sir! ♪ >>alhere are no sod labor camps. there's what we call vocational, education, and training centers. they are there for the prevention of a terrorist. malcolm: p to ram home tnt, in mid-december, chinese state television showed paramilitary police conducting anti-terrorism exercises in xinjiang. drill apparently lasted forys seven at high altitude, and was supposed to improve the troops' abiinty to defeat rgents in difficult terrain.e inese accuse the uighur of being terrorists. what's ur response to that? terrorists. the uighur areictims of the chinese communist party's veed interests. now china labeled the people ofe fighting for their basic rights and freedom. they are protesting on the
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street the uighur are no different. they are also fighting for their basic rights and freedom and against injustice. malcolm: but while the united states is lambasting beijing it's also cloconcluding a kong, trade partnership with beijing. pres. trump: we took the toughest action against china. as a result, we just achieved a breakthrough on the trade deal, and we wl be signing it very shortly. malcolm: are you happy with donald trump's policies regarding china? asiye: i don't know whether presidt trump will be able to change china's strategy, or positively influence chinese systemic reform, or whether he will make china change its policies regarding the uighur. but china is spreading communist ideology, and wants to be the leader of the world. this is not only a threat for the uighurs or the u.s. it is a threat to the whole world.
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malcolm: although another chinese minority, the tibetans, have long expressesimilar desires for freedom, and their vision of independence has been cr ahed, asiye permits herse dream. asiye: i hope china will reform its political system. ha i hopeconcentration camps will be clos. i hope the day will come when uighurs become free and can makh decisions abour own futures. malcolm: asiye's immediate future involves constantly looking over her shoulder. but she has faith in the dutch authorities, and is ga that the chinese will not harm her, because that would shine another light on the cause ofop her . for the "pbs newshour," i'm malcm brabant in the netherlands. amna:tay with us, coming up on the "newshour" mark shields and
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david brooks analyze an intense week of news with more on iran and impeachment a how a lotte fans is selecting histori sites for orenovation. week in prisons across mississippi five inmates hav died at the hands of other prisoners. the killings have highlighted a system with serious problems, even violence.m this brutal willangham has more. william: that is right. ose were just the tip of the iceberg. from staffing problems to crumbling facilities, mississippi's correctional d system is ine situation that puts prisoners and guards at risk. jerry mihell is the founder of mississippi center for investigative reporting, and he's been investigating conditions in mississippi prisons wi a grant from propublica. and he joins me now. rry, thank you very much for doing this. boinour series, you talk
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several different prisons and problems in them, but you realln focus ne particular prison in parchman, mississippi. can you tell us what you found ere? jerry: we found a host of probms. everythi from the drinking water has had nearly 100 major violations of the safe drinking water act, t photographs of birds eating off the food trays of inmates, some of the drains, that it's just garbage disposald bap in the kitchen and a kitchen door with a big crack in it, so flies a mosquitoes can easily and roaches can get in. you can't imagine some of these conditions. it looks like a third world b prison, honest with you, some of the details of it. then you have had these deaths. sily, there have been seven seven homicides inside parchman prison, so an five suicides, too. so it's had a host of problems. william: you have been reporting
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on mississippi prisons for a very long time. can you help us understand why, in the 21st century, are we still seeing conditions like this?rr they have not funded it, toane honest. i they have cut, the mississippi department of corrections, essentially about $185 million over the past five years. sif they had juyed level, they would have had $185 million s more. it'st a lot of awful conditions, no staffing. the vacancy rate is 50%. just all sorts of horr things going on. william: mississippi's governor phil bryant, when he was asked about some of this recent violence, blamed it largely on gang activity going on inside the prison how true is that? jerry: you could say in terms of the most recent events it was in fact a gang war going on. but inmates and their families have been expressing the frustrations to me for years. and about the conditions getting worse, did ahole package of
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stories in 2014 on thesend prisons, just kept hearing back from these families and inmates, it's getting worse, it's not getting better, it's getting worse. you would think, they had this corruption scandal. the head of dee corrections rtment went off to prison. you would think the prisons would get better, but, instead, what happened is the mississippi legislature decided to basngally quit funhem. william: and i understand that r ere was federal oversight this is from youporting that there was federal oversight of the prison for a long time. jerry: tt is correct. william: but then mississippi apparently got its act together, and then the feds backed off, and then i guess th's when ese problems got worse. jerry: yes. 2011 -- basically, mississii, for almost 40 years was der federal court oversight, monitoring, and so they would have these regular health reports, you know, other thports on various parts o prison, the condions of the prison. if things were not fixed the federal judge could step in and
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say, hey, wait a minute, youfi need tthis. in 2012, there were no cells witht lights or power. today, there are more 00 cells without lights or power. and so you have inmates that are literally in the dark,ou have day rooms where it's in the dark. and so, if you're a guard, that is a dangerous situation. if you're an inmate, it's a dangerous situation. not to mention the conditions can obviously affect behavior as well. from what i amth hearing fro inmates they are frustrated. to some extent it was a boiling over of frustrations as well. william: a few monthago, i talked with oklahoma's governor about a recentelease he had done of several hundred nonviolent l-level prisoners to sort of reduce overcrowding there.y: je right. william: has that kind of a thing be suggested in mississippi?
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jerry: yes, it has. there is a suggestion of taking basically the low-level ug, like possession, felony drug possession, and retroactively turning it into a misdemeanor, which would free the estimates 2,000 prisoners that would beout that would go tee. obviouslt would help to ease the situation there in terms of crowding. william: all right, jerry mitchell from the mississippi center for investigative reporting, thank you very, very much. jerry: thank you. ♪ amna: back on capitol hill, the house of representatives votedto heck the president's war powers against iran. speaker nancy pelosi took -- told her house to prepare for impeachment in the days ahead. here to make sense of it all as
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well as eye-popping polling numbers, shields and brooks. mark shields a david brooks. happy friday, welcome. let's start the proceedings. david, a week ago the u.s. assassinated iranian general qasem soleimani and iraq. three days since iranli reed. president trump says he wants peace. against iran todayw sanctions is this de-escalation? david: yes. a week ago we did not know where we were going and it looks,. it looks more like a normal mile east terror episode in which you have a terror army, whether is hezbollah or anothe ramping up activities. the u.s. says, stop. we are going to be in conflict,e b's not get carried away. you are pushing the boundaries. when you do this kind of actio like killing soleimani it is
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using violence as a form of intimidation. rror side has a chance to say no, we will keep going o message received, we will not push t bouaries. it is not in our interests either. we have seen that through the israeli-hamas or fights. en we have t through otherte or fights. and it looks like a much more conventional sort of communication between a nation and a terror organization. amna:me at the ime, mark, we have had 176 civilians killed as tensions.of those escalated that didn't happen in a vacuum, necessarily. of on the same page, wantingnd u.s. troops out, out of iraq from the iraqi parliament, and out of the region from iran, which haalways been a stated goal. i guess the question is and we may not know this yet but are we safer that's what the administration is arguing. mark: my argument would be that we are not but i go to the words of one exceptionally well-read
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nemaeneral, who later became secretary of defense, who said, history aches history teaches us that nations with allies thrive, nations without allies with. every year, pew research, a very respected polling operation, polls the world, 32 different countries, on trust and confidence. and the fact is, the united states under donald trump has plummeted inhe world. among five world leaders, including xi jinping and vladimir putin and mrs. merkel and mrmacron, the fact is that donald trump is at the bottom. he has 29% of the world with confidence in him. 64% do not.a this ital reverse from barack obama when 64% of the world had confidence inju his ment. we are isolated as a people. i mean, secretary pompeo
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complained that the brits and the germans did not go along. a, there is no support in their b, they ever consulted. no, i think i don't argue with david's assessment of the individual discrete events. but i thinthe overall patter is that we're paying a terrible price for isolation. and alliances have been the saving strength of the united states and the western world since world war ii, and they are total disrepair at this point. amna: a lot of the questions revolve around what will happen next, right? there's concern there could be an increase in some of those proxy militias you had mentioned, david. i want to play a sound bite for you, though, from president trump at a rally in ohio las night. he was responding to t house's move to try to restrict some of those presidential war powers that presints have had for veral years now post-9/11. eske a listen. trump: they're all trying to say, how dare you take him out that way? you should get permission from congress. you should come in and tell us
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what you want to do. (booing) pres. trump: you should come in and tell us so we canall up the fake news that's back therec and leak it. (cheering and applause) amna: to some degree no surprise the house said, we want you to come to us before you take more action agast iran. but then we also saw a republican senator, right, mike lee fr utah, outraged after a briefing from military intelligence leaders that he felt was completely insufficient. is this the time you think congress starts to claw back some of that power? david: no, i don't think so. they had the chancebi i laden. they have had a lot of chances, and the executive has taken this power. the laws whave areete. they're for a time when not a terror war, whether it was like world war ii or vietnam, when there was moment of peace and then moment of war, and there was a transitionary moment where congress would act between those two states. but in an ongoing terror war, there's no moment of peace and there's no moment of war.
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there is constant engaged and so for the president, in a position of constant conflict with iran, where they're ramping up pressure, we're trying to fight them, a discte episode seems me outside the bounds of congress. having said that, the president, executive branch shouldn't beng running a unning terror war without the constant communication with congress and with the intelligence communities and the intelligence committees. so while i don't think congress should be approving every little individual operation, it's certnly up to the executive branch to be in constant communication, so there are no suoerises. and thsn't seem to have happened. amna: mark, what do you make of the way the administration has been responding tofohose calls greater oversight, maybe explaining and providing justification for this strike on soleimani in the first place? mark: oh, i don't think there's any question the president has asserted the total autonomy of his office. t sees no neconsult, no congressional restraints. and i think, in spite of the fact that the house did act on to go anywhere in the senate.
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there are pockets of resistance. whether it is senator lee or congressman gaetz in the house. i mean, whether in fact it takes on a larger dimension remains to be seen. donald trump and hisabout it. administration make a serious mistake by not consulting. takeoff, they're not going to be with you on the crash landing. they have no stake in what happens as far as his policy is concerned. obviously, they do care about the nation but as far , as his policy and whatever dopolitical damage there i to him, if they in no way are consulted or asked their opinion or their judgment or just told to shut up and join. mark: and despite this episode -- david: despite this episode with soleimani, i do thi there's a bipartisan move, almost a consensus, a populist trump has used milforce less than any president since jimmy carter. he's not normally a military guy.
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from the populists on the left and populists on the right in different versions, it's like the middle east is a mess. we are not good at dealing with let's stay away. i do think, whether it's mike lee or people further on the left mike lee's a republican there's a consensus, we shhaldn't be involved in region, or as little as possible. amna: io want to get both of your takes on impeachment because there was a little bit of news today. nancy pelosi now say can expect those articles of impeachment to be transferred to the senate sometime next week. we don't have an exact day. what can we expect? david: we can expect theto be transferred to the senate sometime next week. [laughter] david:on eachas to take a separate oath to swear to be- impartial juror be before god and man. it would be an interesting note for thmembers of the senate to take at this point, administered by the chief justice of the supreme court. amna: why do you think it's interesting? david: -- mark: well, i think
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it's interesting because it's hard to say that you swear to, be impartii don't know how many of them could pasthat lie detector test at this point. david: they will not be taking truth serum before they take they're not go be impartial. ixpected to be quic i suspect a lot of democrats secretly wouldike to get this over with. na: witnesses or not? david: i suspect not. mark:he pressure has built. in polls in six states, 70% one wii esses called. n't think it's a popular position to be opposed to bringing in witnesses with firsthanexexperience and sure who can testify to what went on. amna: let's talk a little bit about the 2020 democratic fiel w. we have new numbers the field .a the fielnarrowed slightly, with marianne williamson suspending her campaign. the next debate stage has also narrowed, just six candidates going to be on that.
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take a look at two early states of iowa and new hampshire, those numbers from iowa out just this itevening. s a lot to take in. we're going to leave it up for a little moments, so folks at home can try to catch up and see what's going on here. basically, you have senator sanders in iowa leading in the state for the very fhrst time, just weeks to go before those caucuses. otherwise, you have got a littlm bit ement up and down when it comes to those four candidates, buttigieg, biden, sanders and warren. david, when you look at these numbers just for these two ieates, what are you seeing happening in the? david: you are seeing bernie's strength. he has had this strength for years now. it's very solid, and it seems to o. a little bigger this time than four years he question is whether he's really good at getting 20%. the question is if he can get to 30% or 40%. he has had a ceiling. we have no talked about him enough. he's run a very strong, consistent campaig he has strong supporters. if i were pete buttigieg's
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supporters, i would be worried. bear decline is striking. we have momentum shifts. i think we're 24 days away. it looks like he's on the downslope of that shift. amna: i want to throw up other thmbers from nevada and s carolina. tom steyer, who has qualified for the next debatstage, is pulling in the double digits in both of those states. at's your take on the state of the field right now? rk: he is a liberty mutual candidates. in other words, he is advertising. nobody else is. he's in a nonadversarial situation. there's no campaigns goiro on in south na and nevada. iowa and new hampshire. in iowa it is at . that's where you have to show up, where voters kick the tires, look at you and so forth bernie sanders' numbers in iowa are impressive. most of all, 50 9%. three out of five of his voters ve their minds made up.
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he is getting 49% whost are enthus about bernie. 66-29 favorable. the arrows -- those are good numbers. it does not look like he will slip below. le any poised to make a surge? and, right now, ks like warren, biden and buttigieg are stuck where they are. so if one of them if one of them is going to catnie, they better start moving in the next three weeks. amna: you don't see a lot of movement otherwise? mark: no. if i were bernie i would feel good. among younger voters i mean, here he is, the oldest i guess now the second oldest candidate in the he hasr than one third of voters under the age of 35. amna: mark shields and david brooks, thank you ry much for being here. good to talk to you. ♪
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france is famous for iconic monuments an structures, but also has a growing challenge in protecting and preserving its lesser-known historic sis, jeffrey brown reports from france on an experiment in raising new funds for tha purpose part of canvas, our ongoing series on arts and cultes. jeffrey: this is where she worked? an oldsi m in the suburbs of paris, home to a once world-famous 19th century french artist named rosa bonheur, best known for anr paintings of als, and, says katherine brault, who bought the chateau two years ago, it remains largely as bonheur left it. katherine: all of the objects here are rosa bonheur's belongings. they have never left the castle. it's not like in a museum, where objes are placed to show how
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it was before. it is re. that is what is unique. jeffrey: rosa bonheur was a pioneer, the first woman t receive the grand cross from the french legion of honor, a proto-feminist who chose how she duld live and what she wo do. in her tim she was hugely successful. her works are in a collectionthf places likmetropolitan museum of art in new york. katherine: this is the costume buffalo bill gives to rosa bonheur. ffrey: buffalo bill. katherine:wa ha big fan of rosa bonheur. jeffrey: but now her home is falting apart. brants to preserve it and the legacy of the artist. katherine: we have to act quickly. we wait a year or two, it's over. we won't be able to restore anymore. jeffrey: just one example of a phenomenon across france, small historical sites suffering decades, even centuries of neglect. with so many projects requiring so much to protect and restore them, the country has turned to a different mol for raising
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raising money. a so-called heritage lottery in rcich everay citizens puhase tickets, at two price points running around $3 or $16, to try to win big. most of the money gs t the pot. winners can take on more than $1.5 million. but a portion also goes to a different pot, aimed at restoring threatened heritagess sites ache country.hy >>o you visit france? it is not because we a very charming, not because we speak very good english. look at me. it's because weeaave a lot of res to visit. jeffrey: the program is the brainchild of stephan, a popular television and radio personality, who modeled it on a similar program in great britain. bern wants us to see beyond france's most famous, well-cared rer sites, to the thousands of smaller ones thaive little
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or no government funding. oephane: have you seen the state of the stathe patrimony in france? jeffrey: well, most of us know , the great patrimony, rige churches. stephane: of course, the main patrimony is a perfect state, ch meaneau versailles, chambord. it's like the tree that hides you don't see the little the forest. patrimony that, if you go to any village, ieach village, you can find a church that would need euros to be restored. 1.5 million nobody pays for that lacause it's little vs with 200nhabitants, and they don't have the means to do it. jeffrey: so, you bought the to restore it.need money katherine: yes. jeffrey: that is hard. katherine brault bought ther bonhateau from the family that had held it for decades. she opened a small restaurant and a gift shop, and rents the space out for weddings and othev ts. there's even places for guests to stay the night.
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but she struggled to convince banks to finance the restoration year's heritage lottery awarded her 500,000 euros, about $550,000, topped off with a visit by french president macron himself to celebrate national heritage days. katherine: for me it is. course, brought us press coverage, which is very important for us, and it's a bit of a dream. >> we are in the gunpowder storage unit. when the gunpowder was finished being made, it was stocked h te ins big building, to be sent es the front line or to other gunpowder wareho for the war. jeffrey: a very different kind of site that's also benefited from the lottery is this former gunpowder factory, which sits in large park in the paris suburbs. built during the reign of napoleon i, it was the first ever to use a steam engine. storian antoine furio:
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>> the building we are in is derelict. very run down. but the remains are importan for national history, for the history of gunpowder-making, and jeffrey: in 2018, this site won 200,000 euros, about $220,000, money used to shore up three structures here. it's a sign, says furio, that sites like these are starting to get the attention they deserve. as a historian, is it hard for you to see sites like this that antonio: yes, of course itown? touches me. it's particularly upsetting because this kind of heritage that we're trying to highlight istill not very well known, and it's even difficult to understand. but know that there are solutions after all, and that the heritage lottery is a solution for restoring this unique heritage. jeffrey: as it turns out, france has a long history werh los, dating back centuries, a way for kings to raise money withouraising taxes. today, stephane bern sols the regime can work in new ways.
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stephane: so, i say, ok, the king built monuments with lottery money. but now the lottery will restore the monuments that we have built with the lottery. jeffrey: it is justice dart. but toe hope is that these lot winnings, plus the attention they generate, will helpestore t only these sites, but the important history they represent. for the "pbs nshour," i'm ♪effrey brown outside paris. na: on the "newshour" online we take a close look at the tfulleosters just ed for the 2020 tokyo summer olympics, a first glimpwi at how japan present its big event on our website. we will be back right here on
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